Operation Salafiya (part 1)


OPERATION SALAFI (Part 1)
by Zarlish Khan Afridi on Sunday, October 14, 2012 at 4:50am ·

Salafis say Allah has a Shadow Says Pseudo-salafi ‘Shaykh’ Ibn Baz:

http://www.binbaz.org.sa/mat/4234

 

 

مسألة في الصفات

في حديث السبعة الذين يظلهم الله في ظله يوم لا ظل إلا ظله، فهل يوصف الله تعالى بأن له ظلاً؟

 

نعم كما جاء في الحديث، وفي بعض الروايات: ((في ظل عرشه))[1] لكن الصحيحين ((في ظله))، فهو له ظل يليق به سبحانه لا نعلم كيفيته مثل سائر الصفات، الباب واحد عند أهل السنة والجماعة. والله ولي التوفيق.

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[1] أخرجه البخاري في كتاب الأذان، باب من جلس في المسجد ينتظر الصلاة، برقم 660، ومسلم في كتاب الزكاة، باب فضل إخفاء الصدقة، برقم 1031.

مجموع فتاوى ومقالات متنوعة المجلد الثامن والعشرون

 

Rough Translation: Issue relating to the Attributes [of Allah]: In the hadith of the seven of those who will be shaded by Allah in His shadow on the day that there is no shadow save His shadow, is this attributing Allah the Exalted with a shadow? Answer:

Yes, as is reported in the Hadith and in some transmissions : “in the shadow of His throne”. But, in the Sahihayn it is : “in His shadow” for He has a shadow that is befitting to Him, the Glorious, and we do not know its modality (Kayf) just like the rest of His attributes…

Useful Anecdote: Unlike ‘shaykh’ Ibn Baz, one of his own major colleagues from the Salafi theologians negates this so-called Attribute he affirms for Allah! The notorious Rabi’ Ibn Hadi al-Madkhalee says that the shadow is the shade of the ‘Arsh.==================================================================

Salafis say Allah performs Jogging / Trotting

 

 

In Fatawa al-Aqida Pseudo Salafi ‘shaykh’ Muhammad b. Salih b. Uthaimin, page 112, is quoted saying:

وأي مانع يمنع من أن نؤمن بأن الله تعالى يأتي هرولة

“What could forbid us from believing that Allah performs jogging/trotting [harwala]?”

 

And this is from the Lajnatud-Da’imah lil-Buhuthul `Ilmiyyah wal-Ifta / The Permanent Committee for Scholarly Research and Fatawa (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia):

 

 

فتاوى اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والإفتاء ج3ص196 :

( س : هل لله صفة الهرولة ؟

ج : نعم ، على نحو ما جاء في الحديث القدسي الشريف على ما يليق به قال تعالى : إذا تقرب إليّ العبد شبرا تقربت إليه ذراعا وإذا تقرب إليّ ذراعا تقربت منه باعاً وإذا أتاني ماشياً أتيته هرولة . رواه البخاري وسلم ).

 

Rough Translation:

 

Q: Is Jogging (Harwala) an attribute of Allah?

 

A: Yes, as it has been shown in the Hadith Qudsi al-Shareef ….. “… and if he comes to Me walking, I go to him running.” Narrated by al-Bukhari and Muslim.

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Original Reference to Saudi Darul Ifta Site Is here http://www.alifta.com/Fatawa/fatawaDetails.aspx?BookID=7&View=Page&PageNo=1&PageID=852

 

Another Reference From Another Salafi Wahabi Scholar:

The pseudo salafi theologian Salih b. Fawzan al-Fawzan negates what the Lajna’ say is an ‘attribute’ of Allah:

 

الهرولة ليست بصفة لله) العلامة صالح بن فوزان الفوزان -حفظه الله) –

Proof: http://majles.alukah.net/showthread.php?16073-%28-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%87%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A9-%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%B3%D8%AA-%D8%A8%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%A9-%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87%29-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A9-%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD-%D8%A8%D9%86-%D9%81%D9%88%D8%B2%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D9%88%D8%B2%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AD%D9%81%D8%B8%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87

 

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ANOTHER REFERENCE AND PROOF WITH LINK  AND TRANSLATION :

 

 

Salafis say Allah has a ‘Form’ / Image 

Abd Allah al-Hashidi the “Salafi” editor of al-Bayhaqi’s al-Asma’ wal-Sifat (2:60) openly attributes form and shape to Allah Most High: 

 

 

“As for our Lord, we affirm that He possesses a form (sura)”

and (2:67)

 

 

“As for us we affirm a form (sura) for Allah unlike forms.”

 

Similarly, the Egyptian ‘Salafi’ scholar Mohammed Khalil Harras……

 

هو العلاَّمة، السلفيُّ، المحقِّق، محمد خليل هرَّاس

كان رحمه الله سلفي المعتقد، شديدًا في الحقّ، قويّ الحجّة والبيان، أفنى حياته في التعليم والتأليف ونشر السنة وعقيدة أهل السنة والجماعة 

….who salafis describe as: 

“He was Salafi in creed, stern in establishing the truth, persuasive in establishing his proof, he spent his life teaching, authoring, and spreading the creed of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’a” 

 

says on p. 39 of his commentary on “At-Tawhid” by Ibn Khuzayma:

 

 

 

فالصورة لا تضاف إلى الله كإضافة خلقه إليه لأنها وصف قائم به

“So ‘Image’ is not attributed to Allah the way his creation is attributed to Him, because it (His image), is an attribute which subsists in His essence” 

and on pg. 156:

 

 

ثم تبدى الله لنا بصورة غير صورته التي رأيناه فيها أول مرة ، وقد عاد لنا في صورته التي رأيناه فيها أول مرة فيقول أنا ربكم 

 

“Then he appeared to us with an image which is different then what we have previously seen, and He returned to us in the image we first saw him in and says: ‘I am your Lord’ “ 

 

Useful anecdote: 

Salafi theologian Sulaiman al-Alwan is quoted on the Ahl al-Hadeeth forum calling out the pseudo salafis’ own major reference in `Aqida Ibn Khuzayma, author of the book Kitab al-Tawhid (which was renamed Kitab al-Shirk by Fakhr al-Razi), for his supposed “ta’wil” of ‘image‘ stating:وأما تأويل ابن خزيمة-رحمه الله تعالى- لحديث ((خلق الله آدم على صورته)) فإنه خلاف الحق ، وهو معدود من أخطائه، والله يعفو عنه ، ولا يجوز لنا التشبث بأخطاء العلماء وزلاتهم ، فإن تتبع زلات العلماء من هوادم الإسلام

rough translation:

As for Ibn Khuzayma’s interpretation (taw’il) of the hadith, ‘Allah created Adam upon his image,’ it stands contrary to the truth, and is to be counted among his errors, may Allah pardon him. It is not permissible for us to adhere to the errors and slips of the scholars, for following the slips of scholars is one of the things that tears down the edifice of Islam.

Salafies I bet you will cry to gave me answer but this is not your stinky value to gave me answer. If you dare to reject these references from your own salafi mullas.Or i can say SALAFI PRIESTS. OR PUJARIS

Salafis Say Allah has a Waist [Haqwu]

A well known senior Salafi shaykh named Abdullah bin Aqeel says in his book “Tanbihat ala al-Akhta’a Al-‘aqadiyyah fi Fath Al-Bari” (Warnings about the Mistakes in Aqidah mentioned in Fath Al-Bari), 1/31, as a refutation of Al-Hafidh Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani who made ta’wil of haqw the following:

لا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله!الواجب الإيمان بما دل عليه الحديث وإمراره كما جاء على حقيقته كباقي نصوص الصفات، والإيمان بمقتضى الحديث أن لله حقواً، كما أن له سمعاً ووجهاً وقدماً، كل ذلك على الحقيقة اللائقة بالله عز وجل من غير تحريف ولا تمثيل ولا تكييف ولا تعطيل.

أما تنزيه الله عن الجارحة فكلام مجمل لم يصح نفيه عن الله ولا عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، وعليه فلا يجوز نفيه ولا إثباته حتى يُستفصل عن مراد قائله، لأنه يحوي حقاً وباطلاً.

وتكلُّف كونه مجازاً واستعارة مما يفضي إلى التعطيل ونفي الصفات الثابتة لله عز وجل. والواجب إثبات الصفات لله على الوجه اللائق بالله من غير تكييف ولا تمثيل، ومن غير تحريف ولا تعطيل، كما هو قول أهل السنة والجماعة، والله ولي التوفيق.

Rough translation excerpted from the above quote:

 

“What is obligatory is to believe in that which is indicated in the hadith and to pass it it along as it has come in its literal sense, as is the case for the other texts that pertain to the divine attributes, and to believe in the implication of this hadith, which is that Allah has a waist. . . .”

 

The author also objects to declaring Allah trancendent above having limbs saying:

 

“As for declaring Allah transcendent above limbs, such words are ambiguous and there are no sound texts from Allah or His Messenger (salla Allah ‘alaihi wa sallam) negating it, so on that basis it is not permissible to negate it or affirm it.”

 

 

The book that this qoute was taken from, was reviewed, edited and checked by some senior Salafi scholars like Abdul Aziz bin Salih Al-Fawzan and Abdullah Ghunayman.

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ANOTHER REFERENCE: 🙂 SALAFIES I BET YOU WILL ENJOY AND CRY That alhamdolillah You are again beaten by your own false religion and false books and false ideology

Salafis say al-Istawa’ is Julus – Allah is Sitting

 

 

Says Pseudo Salafi ‘Shaykh’ al-Uthaimeen in Majmu Fatawa (vol. 1, no. 57) quoting Ibn al-Qayyim [provided by sh. Abul Hasan]:

 

 

 

 

وأما تفسيره بالجلوس فقد نقل ابن القيم في الصواعق 4/1303 عن خارجة بن مصعب في قوله تعالى : )الرحمن على العرش استوى((1) قوله: “وهل يكون الاستواء إلا الجلوس”. ا.هـ. وقد ورد ذكر الجلوس في حديث أخرجه الإمام أحمد عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما مرفوعاً. والله أعلم

 

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source

rough translation:

 

with respect to the sitting, Ibn al-Qayyim has reported in As-Sawaaiq 1303/4 from Kharijah bin Mus’ab with respect to the saying of Allah the Exalted :The ayah: Ar-Rahmanu Alal Arshi Istawa, “How can the ascension be anything other than sitting?” and the mention of sitting has been reported in the Hadeeth from Imam Ahmad from Ibn Abbas, may Allah be pleased with them both, in a Marfu’ fashion. And Allah Knows best And, to quote sh. Abul Hasan:

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Ibn al-Qayyim is talking about a non-existent narration in the Musnad of Ahmad [i.e. he has fabricated] through Kharija who is actually matruk in hadith anyway!

 

 

Similar statements are found in the book Kitab al-sunna attributed to `Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 290) by the pseudo-salafis, but whose stand in relation to the Sunna and anthropomorphism can be judged by the following excerpt:

 

 

10 حدثني أحمد بن سعيد أبو جعفر الدارمي قال سمعتُ أبي يقول سمعت خارجة يقول الجهمية كفار بلغوا نساءهم أنهن طوالق وأنهن لا يحللن لازواجهن لا تعودوا مرضاهم ولا تشهدوا جنائزهم ثم تلا : ﴿طه * مَا أَنزَلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْقُرْآنَ لِتَشْقَى * إِلاَّ تَذْكِرَةً لِّمَن يَخْشَى * تَنزِيلاً مِّمَّنْ خَلَقَ الأَرْضَ وَالسَّمَاوَاتِ الْعُلَى * الرَّحْمَنُ عَلَى الْعَرْشِ اسْتَوَى﴾ ، وهل يكون الاستواء الا بجلوس.

 

 

 

 

 

“Is istiwa other than by sitting (julus)?”

page 5, Kitab al-sunna (Cairo: al-Matba`a al-Salafiya, 1349/1930).

In the book Qudum Kataib al-Jihad li Ghazwi Ahl al-Zindiqah wa al-Ilhad , the pseudo-salafi ‘shaykh’ Abdul ‘Aziz al-Rajihi says after quoting Kitab al-Sunna:

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[rough translation of excerpt from above]

 

 

 

“These words are correct undoubtedly. Yes; is istiwa anything other than sitting? This is one of the meanings of the word istiwa . . . . So the verse, “The All-Merciful rose over the Throne” means ascended and sat; however, it is in a way that befits His majesty. . .Source (p. 101)

The contemporary salafi preacher Dr. Aidh al-Qarni also describes Allah as ‘sitting’ on His throne as can be seen in a recording of one of his khutbas. [edit: video now removed]

And finally, in his Tafsir named “an-Nahrul-Madd”, the Grammarian Abu Hayyan al-‘Andalusi reported about Ibn Taymiyah:

In his handwriting, a book of Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah, who was contemporary with us, which he called “Kitab-ul-‘Arsh”, I read: Allah sits on al-Kursi and has left a space for the Messenger of Allah to sit with Him….

 

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Salafis Say Allah is Attributed With Boredom

 

Sh. al-`Uthaymin says:

 

وهذا الملل الذي يفهم من ظاهر الحديث أن الله يتصف به ، ليس كمللنا نحن ، لأن مللنا نحن ملل تعب وكسل ، وأما ملل الله عز وجل فإنه صفة يختص به جل وعلا ، والله سبحانه وتعالى لا يلحقه تعب ولا يلحقه كسل ، قال تعالى : ( وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَمَا مَسَّنَا مِنْ لُغُوبٍ ) (قّ:38) هذه السماوات العظيمة والأرض وما بينهما خلقها الله تعالى في ستة أيام : الأحد والاثنين والثلاثاء والأربعاء والخميس والجمعة ، قال (وَمَا مَسَّنَا مِنْ لُغُوبٍ ) يعني ما تعبنا بخلقها في هذه المدة الوجيزة مع عظمها

Source

 

Rough translation:

 

“This malal [literally: boredom], which is understood as an attribute of Allah from the literal/apparent meaning of the narration, is not like our boredom, for our boredom constitutes of tiredness and laziness. As for the boredom of Allah, the Powerful and Exalted, then that is a special Attribute of the Most Powerful and High, and Allah (swt) is neither ascribed with tiredness nor laziness…..”

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Salafis Say Allah is Attributed with Hesitation: ‘A conflict between Two Wills’

 

Shaikh Abdel Aziz Ar-Rajhi said:

 

 

 

الأسئلة:

س: أحسن الله إليكم هل يوصف الله بالتردد كما في الحديث القدسي (وما ترددت في شيء أنا فاعله ترددي في قبض نفس عبدي المؤمن…) الحديث؟

 

ج: نعم كما وصفه الرسول -عليه الصلاة والسلام- لكن هذا التردد ليس كتردد المخلوق الذي يدل على الضعف، ولكنه تعارض الإرادتين كما بين في الحديث، فالله تعالى يريد ما يريده عبده المؤمن، والمؤمن يكره الموت، فالله يريد ما يريده عبده المؤمن، ولكن الله قضى وقدر أنه يموت، فهذا تعارض إرادتين إرادة الموت؛ لأن الله قدره، وإرادة ما يريده العبد وهو كراهة الموت ولا ينافي هذا التردد ترجيح إحدى الإرادتين؛ لأن الموت لا بد منه نعم.

Source

 

“Question: ‘Is Allah (swt) attributed with Hesitation (taraddud)……?’

 

Answer (tr. Um Abdullah / NMS/ Musleemah): Yes, as the Messenger -Alayhi As-Salatu Wa-Salam- described Him, but this taraddud (hesitation) isn’t like the hesitation of creation that indicates weakness, but it is a conflict between two wills as the hadith explains. Allah Ta’ala wants what the believing slave wants, and the believer does not like death, so Allah wants what His believing slave wants, but Allah Has decreed that He die, so this is a conflict between two wills, the will for him to die, because Allah decreed it, and the will of what the slave wants, which is hating death, and this hesitation does not go against the outweighting of one will over the other, because death is a must.

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Salafis say Allah has a Limit 

Says pseudo-salafi theologian Ibn Baz on his ‘commentary’ on al-`Aqida al-Tahawiyya: 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by sh. bin Baz

 

فمراده بالحدود يعني التي يعلمها البشر، فهو سبحانه لا يعلم حدوده إلا هو سبحانه

 

By hudood (limits) the author means such as known by humans since no one except Allah Almighty knows his limits.  

see footnote 3: http://www.furqaan.com/nonmuslims/04_muslimcreed.htm 

Similarly, one of their predecessors in such a belief, Abu Sa’id ad-Darimi, the author of al-Radd ala Bishr al-Marisi, said, as quoted by Sh. Ibn Taymiyah in Dar’ at-Ta’arud without rebuke (2/28-29): 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Ibn Taymiyya

The section on the Hadd (limit) and the ‘Arsh

 

Abu Sa’id said: 

The opponent also claimed that Allah does not possess a Hadd (limit), Ghayah (restriction), or Nihayah (end). He said: And this is the basis upon which Jahm (ibn Safwan) built his misguidnace and derived all of his errors. It has not reached us that anyone besides Jahm in the world proceeded him with it. Someone who was discussing this with him (Jahm) said to him: I have come to know your intent oh non-Arab. You intend that Allah is nothing, because all of the creation have known that there is nothing that is called a “thing” except that it has a Hadd (limit), a Ghayah (restriction) and an attribute, and that what has no limit, restriction or attribute is nothingness. 

So that which is a “thing” must necessarily be described with attributes. Nothingness is described with no limit or restriction. Your statement: He has no limit means that He is nothing. 

Abu Sa’id said:

Allah Ta’ala has a limit that no one knows but Him and it is not allowed for anyone to imagine a limit to His limit in himself, however, he is to beleive in the limit and relegate the knolwedge of that to Allah. His place (Makan) also has a limit and He is upon His ‘Arsh above the seven heavens- so these are two limits.Sh. Ibn Taymiyya goes further himself even referring to Allah’s place when he said in Muwaafaqat al-Manqul (2:29) (republished as Dar’ Ta’aarud al-`Aqli wal-Naql (2:58-59):

 

 

There is agreement one and all among the Muslims and the disbelievers [sic] that Allah Most High is in the heaven and they ascribed it to Him as a limit except al-Marrisi the misguided and his friends. Even little boys that have not reached puberty know this: when a boy is sad he raises his hand to his Lord and calls unto Him in the Heaven and nowhere else. Everybody knows of Allah and His place (makanih) better than the Jahmiyyah! [..]. All this and its like are corroborations and proofs for a limit, and whoever does not admit it has committed disbelief in the Divine Revelation and has denied the verses of Allah!

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SO my dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters: As you can see the scans and you have read all about the SKY GOD OF WAHABIES. SO whenever some idiot MUSHRIK KAFIR AND BIDATI wahabi tells something wrong about ahlu sunnah wal jamat: KINDLY REFERE HIM/HER to this…This will be enough to shut them up till their arse burned in Hell fire.

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