Hindu Scriptures and Prophecy


There Never Was A People Without A Warner

Qur’an 35:24
Verily We have sent thee (Muhammad) in truth as a bearer of glad tidings and as a warner: And there never was a people without a warner having lived among them (in the past).

Qur’an 16:36
For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle (with the Command) “Serve Allah and eshew Evil”:
Of the people were some whom Allah guided and some on whom Error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth).

Qur’an 4:164
And Messengers (Prophets who received revealed books) We have mentioned unto thee (Muhammad) before
And Messengers We have not mentioned unto thee; And Allah spake directly unto Moses.

These verses of the Holy Qur’an testify that Allah (the One True God) has sent prophets to every people. Therefore, it is not surprising to Muslims to find prophecies about the Last Prophet, Muhammad (s), in previously revealed scriptures. Moreover, Allah had taken covenant with the Prophets to believe and help future Prophets of Allah, as indicated by the verse quoted below.

Allah’s Covenant With Prophets

Qur’an 3:81-82
Behold! Allah took the covenant of the Prophets saying:
“I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you an Apostle confirming what is with you; do ye believe him and render him help.”
Allah said: “Do ye agree and take this My Covenant as binding on you?”
They said: “We agree.”
He said: “Then bear witness and I am with you among the witnesses.”
If any turn back after this they are perverted transgressors.

A Brief Introduction To Hindu Scriptures

The Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, and Brahmanas Granth are the four sacred books in Hindu religion. The last one is a commentary on the Vedas, but it is considered as a revealed book. These books are in Sanskrit, the sacred language of the Hindus. The Vedas are divided into four books: Rig Veda, Yajur Veda, Sam Veda and Atharva Veda. Of these, the first three books are considered the more ancient books, and the Rig Veda is the oldest of them. The Rig Veda was compiled in three long and different periods. Opinions greatly differ as to the date of compilation or revelation of the four Vedas. Swami Daya Nand, founder of the Arya Samaj, holds the opinion that the Vedas were revealed 1.3 billion years ago, while others (Hindu scholars and orientalists) hold the opinion that they are not more than four thousand years old. Analysis of the Vedas reveal differences in the accounts of the places where these books were revealed and the Rishis (Prophets) to whom these scriptures were given. Nevertheless, the Vedas are the most authentic scriptures of the Hindus.

The Upanishads are considered next to the Vedas in order of superiority and authenticity. However, some Pandits consider the Upanishads to be superior to the Vedas primarily from the internal evidence found in the Upanishads. Next in authenticity to the Upanishads are the Puranas. The Puranas are the most widely read of all Hindu Scriptures, as these are easily available (the Vedas are difficult to find). The compiler of the Puranas is Maha Rishi Vyasa, and he arranged the Puranas in eighteen volumes. These books contain the history of the creation of the universe, the history of the early Aryan people, and life stories of the divines and deities of the Hindus. The Puranas were either revealed simultaneously with the Vedas or some time before. The sanctity and reverence of the Puranas is admitted and recognized in all the authentic books of the Hindus.

For a long time, the Hindu Scriptures were primarily in the hands of Pandits and a small group of men who had learned Sanskrit (The majority of the Hindu population knew Hindi and could comprehend only a smattering of Sanskrit words). Sir William Jones, who was a Judge and founded the Asiatic Society of Bengal, learned Sanskrit in the last decade of the Eighteenth century. He was instrumental in generating interest in Sanskrit and Hindu Scriptures in Europe, and it was due to his efforts that the Hindu scriptures were translated into English.

In 1935, Dr. Pran Nath published an article in the Times of India that showed that the Rig Veda contains events of the Babylonian and Egyptian kings and their wars. Further, he showed that one-fifth of the Rig Veda is derived from the Babylonian Scriptures. From a Muslim perspective, it is likely that the Hindus were given a revealed book or books that contained description and struggles of Allah’s Prophets sent previously to other peoples. It is also possible that commentaries written about them were incorporated later and became a part of the revealed books.

There are a number of examples of these in Hindu scriptures. The Atharva Veda is also known as ‘Brahma Veda’ or in its meaning as the Divine Knowledge. An Analysis of the Vedas reveal that ‘Brahma’ is actually Abraham, where the initial letter A in Abraham is moved to the end making it Brahma. This analysis is accurate when one writes the two words in Arabic script, a language close to that spoken by Prophet Abraham. Similarly, Abraham’s first wife Sarah is mentioned in the Vedas as Saraswati, and Prophet Nuh (Noah of The Flood) is mentioned as Manuh or Manu. Some Pundits consider Atharva Veda as the Book of Abraham. Prophets Ismail (Ishmael) and Ishaq (Isaac) are named Atharva and Angira, respectively, in the Vedas.

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Background To Prophecies

It is well known that the Hindus love hero worship, and it is reasonable to assume that over a long period of time the high regard and reverence for some Prophets led to some of them considered as god or God. Further, it is likely that the Book of Abraham and those of other Prophets contained prophecies about the Last Prophet, Muhammad (s). Muslim historians of India hold the opinion that the graves of Prophets Sheesh and Ayyub (Job) are in Ayodhya, in the province of Uttar Pradesh, India. In ancient times, Ayodhya was known as Khosla according to Shatpath Brahmanas.

Some Pundits have now begun to reject the Puranas simply because they find in them many prophecies and vivid signs of the truth of Prophet Muhammad. A case has been made that the present Puranas are not the same collection that Vedas refer to and the real books were lost. Nevertheless, this contention is not correct. It is impossible that all the Puranas which were so widely read and keenly studied, could have fallen in oblivion and totally wiped out, whereas the Vedas, which only a few could read and understand, remained intact until now.

Another argument against the prophecies is that these were added to the Puranas at a later date. Nevertheless, this argument is also without a basis. Such a well-known book, in vast circulation and read at appointed times in prayers, cannot be easily tampered with. Moreover, all the Pandits and the learned divines of the Hindus could not have conspired and secretly added these prophecies to the Puranas. The most strange thing is that the corruption is made in favor of the Prophet and against their own religion.hindsan

All major books of the Hindus prophesy about Prophet Mohammad. In addition to many of his qualities, his life events, Abraham, Ka’bah, Bakkah (Makkah) and Arabia, the prophecies mention his name as Mahamad, Mamah, and Ahmad. The name Mahamad appears in the Puranas, Mamah in Kuntap Sukt (in Atharva Veda) and Ahmad in Sama Veda. Many different classifications as to the degree of importance of the Vedas have been made. For example, in Shatpath it is stated that Sama Veda is the essence of all the Vedas. At another place in Taitttriya Brahmana, it is stated that “This world was created from Brahma, the Vaishas were created from the mantras of the Rig Veda, the Kashtriyas were created from Yajur Veda and Brahmans were created from Sama Veda.”

Prophecy In The Puranas

The compiler of the Puranas, Mahrishi Vyasa, is highly honored among the Hindus as a great rishi and learned person. He was a pious and God fearing man. He also wrote the Gita and the Maha Bharat. Among the eighteen volumes of the Puranas is one by the title ‘Bhavishya Puran,’ literally meaning future events. The Hindus regard it as the Word of God. The prophecy containing Prophet Muhammad by name is found in Prati Sarg Parv III: 3, 3, Verse 5.

Before the English translation is presented, a note on the word Malechha that appears in the first part of verse 5 is in order. The word Malechha means a man belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language. This word is now used to degrade people meaning unclean or even worse. Its usage varies and depends on who is using it and for whom. Sir William Jones had great difficulty in recruiting a Pundit to teach him Sanskrit because he was considered unclean (Malechha). It was only after the direct intervention of Maharaja (King) Shiv Chandra that Pundit Ram Lochna agreed to teach him Sanskrit.Mohammad in the Hindu books, prophet Mohammad & Ahmad in Hindoo

It is not known when this word began to be used in the derogatory sense, whether before the advent of Prophet Muhammad (s), after the conversion of Hindu King Chakrawati Farmas (of Malabar, located on the southwest coast of India) to Islam during the lifetime of the Prophet, soon after the arrival of Muslims in India (711 CE) or sometime later. Mahrishi Vyasa, the compiler of the Puranas, has defined a wise Malechha as “a man of good actions, sharp intellect, spiritual eminence, and showing reverence to the deity (God).

Many Sanskrit words have borrowed from Arabic and Hebrew with a slight change as was shown in the examples of Brahma, Saraswati and Manu, and as indicated in Table 2 below. It appears that this word is derived from the Hebrew word Ma-Hekha(malechha), which means thy brethren (e.g., And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. Genesis 16:12; i.e., Ismaelites are the brethren of the Israelites). In the context of Biblical scriptures this word meant a descendant of Prophet Ismail (Ishmael), and it is well known that Muhammad (s) is a descendant of Prophet Ismail through his second son Kedar. Those who can read Arabic Script can easily see that a mistake in separating Ma from Hekha will produce a single word ‘Malhekha,’ and when adapted in another tongue like Sanskrit might sound like Malechha.
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The Sanskrit text and translation of Verse 5 of Bhavishya Puran, Prati Sarg Parv III: 3, 3 are given below. (The boxed area in the Sanskrit text identifies the word Mahamad or Mohammad). 

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A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mahamad…

The translation of Verses 5-27 (Sanskrit text of the Puranas, Prati Sarg Parv III: 3, 3) is presented below from the work of Dr. Vidyarthi.

“A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mahamad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Mahadev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the ‘Panchgavya’ and the Ganges water, (i.e. purging him of all sins) offered him the presents of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, ‘I make obeisance to thee.’ ‘O Ye! the pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malechha opponents (idol worshipers, pagans).’ ‘O Ye! the image of the Most Pious God the biggest Lord, I am a slave to thee, take me as one lying on thy feet.’
“The Malechhas have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in that country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed [note: e.g., Abraha Al-Ashram, the Abyssinian viceroy of Yemen, who attacked Mecca]; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance the well-known Mahamad (Mohammad), who has been given by me the epithet of Brahma is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja! You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of a Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, “O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of ‘Ashwar Parmatma (God, Supreme Spirit), I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat-eaters. My follower will be a man circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution, announcing call for prayer and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. Because of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmans (Muslims). I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nation.”

More Prophecies In Hindu Scriptures

The Vedas contain many prophecies about Prophet Muhammad. Some European and Hindu translators of the Vedas have removed the name referring to the Prophet, while others have tried to explain away the mantras (verses) on his life events, Ka’bah, Makkah, Medinah, Arabia, and other events using the terminology of the Hindus, such as purification rituals, and lands and rivers in India. Some mantras containing prophecies are inter-mixed with explanatory phrases, and it may be that these were commentaries and explanatory notes on the prophecies, which later became a part of the prophecy.

Several prophecies are found in Atharva Veda: (1) XX: 21, Mantras 6, 7, and 9, (2) XX: 137, Mantras 7 through 9, and (3) X: 2, Mantras 26, 27, 29, 30, and 32. Similarly, in Rig Veda, additional prophecies are found in: (1) VII: 96, Mantras 13 through 16, and (2) I: 53, Mantras 6 and 9. Finally, a prophecy is found in Sama Veda III: 10, Mantra 1. These are a sample of many prophecies. The serious reader may want to refer to scholarly work of Dr. A.H. Vidyarthi, entitled “Mohammad in World Scriptures,” 1990. This book explains the Hindu terminology used in the Mantras and the meaning and usage of certain words and phrases from within the Vedas and other Hindu Scriptures.

 

 

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6 thoughts on “Hindu Scriptures and Prophecy”

  1. I have no doubt that you guys must have read Quran very well which I have not and hence I am not qualified to comment on the information in the other parts of your site. But this particular blog post is written by someone who is not well versed with Hindu scriptures. Please read some more.

    Almost all major religions of the world have have One Book and One God which basically defines the philosophy of the faith, the rules and regulations, Do’s and Don’ts for the followers of those religions. And at the fundamental level itself there is a huge difference when we talk about Hinduism.

    There is no single book which describes the Hinduism completely, its a very flexible religion and there are a number of texts/ scriptures which talk about a lot of things which may help a human being live a full and enjoyable life in collaboration with nature and other living beings. Every living creature is considered a creation of God (Brahma – the creator of the world) and they all have their own purpose of life. Human beings must live a balanced life in relationship to the other elements of nature. Hindu literature can be divided into two categories: Shruti (verbal) that which is revealed, and Smriti (remembrance) –that which is remembered.Vedas are considered the most ancient text of Hinduism (and probably human beings on earth) – created by Brahma, the creator of the world. The Vedas constitute Shruti, type of scriptures – are considered divinely revealed and are thus sacred scripture. Other texts, like the various Shastras, Granthas and Puranas form smriti, written by people based on their experience of the event which actually happened on the earth. Even though the Bhagavad Gita is a part of the Mahabharata (Grantha) and thus a smriti, it is considered to be a shruti text by most Hindus because, it was suppose to be revealed to Arjuna by Lord Krishna (human incarnation of Lord Vishnu) during the great war of Mahabharata at Kurukshetra. All shruti scriptures are composed in Sanskrit.

    Vedas, the most ancient scriptures, are like instruction manuals for conducting the worship, rituals, to please the Gods. There are no stories, prophesies, etc. in Vedas. Each of the Upnishadas, which were created after Vedas, are linked with one of the Vedas, they are like discussions points among the learned people/ intellectuals about Vedas.

    The word Brahma comes from the root brh, which means ‘The Biggest ~ The Greatest ~ The All inclusive’. Brahma is ‘the infinite Spirit Source’ and fabric and core and destiny of all existence, both manifested and unmanifested and the formless infinite substratum and from whom the universe has grown’. Brahma is the ultimate, both transcendent and immanent, the absolute infinite existence, the sum total of all that ever is, was, or shall be. The word Atma means the immortal perfect Spirit of any living creature, being, including trees etc. The idea put forth by the Upanishada is that Atma and Brahma are One and the same – its one of the greatest contributions made to the thoughts of the world (Aham Brahmasmi – I am Brahma – the God is within each one of us)
    Hindu scriptures are not prophetic texts of prediction – they are philosophical discourse, sometime explained by way of stories which are easier to understand by masses/ general public. There are more than 100 Puranas some of them written as recent as the arrival of Britishers in India (though that itself is 300 year old even but considering the history of Hinduism dating back to thousands of years, it is comparatively a recent event). That is why there are mentions of other religions e.g. Buddhism, Islams, Sikhism, etc. and of invaders from outside India.

    Sanskrit is considered as the oldest language in the world, so the chances are words from Sanskrit were borrowed/used in Hebrew/ Arabic texts.

    One final request, please read some more 🙂 and here are some suggestions. please do not scared, it will not at all harm your own religious beliefs. This is not an attempt to change your mindset, just a request to broaden your horizon.

    1. Vedas – 4 in numbers; Manuals for rituals/worship of gods
    2. Upanishadas – More than 200 in numners -108 considered as the main Upanishadas, each linked with one of the Veda, it contains discussion among intellectuals about Vedic rituals.
    3. Puranas – More than 100 in numbers but 18 considered to be the main books. These are Post-Vedic texts, typically contain complete narrative of the history of the Universe from creation to destruction, genealogies of the kings, heroes and demigods, and descriptions of Hindu cosmology and geography
    4. Ramayana – Story of Lord Ram, one of the most revered Hindu God, the scriptures has characters one can consider to emulate in personal life (ideal father, ideal mother, ideal son, ideal brother, ideal husband, ideal king, ideal friend, ideal enemy) as well as the not so ideal character demonstration the actions which one should avoid.
    5. Mahabharata – Greatest epic of the world, story of a kingdom in Bharat (India) which has everything one can desire and how , over a period of time, everything was destroyed because of the actions/ in-actions of some of the people.
    6. Bhagavad Gita – A part of Mahabharata, its the divine revelation by Lord Krishna to warrior Arjuna in the middle of a battlefield, it calls for self-less action as the best way to live the human life.

    1. Peace be with you:
      Thankyou sir for taking interest and expressing your valuable views and suggestions.

      This article is only preface of the major subject i-e Hinduism and Islam. So i cannot say that this is the authority on the subject. We are just students and your opinion and comments make us more to do work hard in reading different text.

      As far as article is concern, these are not my findings, these are findings of your own Hindu Scholar and Doctor. What i am doing is only representing it here for a start. and Insh-Allah i had and i will read what you asked me for.
      I have 4 of these books in my library here in front of my eyes. and i have checked all that with sources which i have available.

      I had write:
      The translation of Verses 5-27 (Sanskrit text [3] of the Puranas, Prati Sarg Parv III: 3, 3) is presented below from the work of Dr. Vidyarthi.
      “A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mahamad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Mahadev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the ‘Panchgavya’ and the Ganges water, (i.e. purging him of all sins) offered him the presents of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, ‘I make obeisance to thee.’ ‘O Ye! the pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malechha opponents (idol worshipers, pagans).’ ‘O Ye! the image of the Most Pious God the biggest Lord, I am a slave to thee, take me as one lying on thy feet.’
      “The Malechhas have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in that country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed [note: e.g., Abraha Al-Ashram, the Abyssinian viceroy of Yemen, who attacked Mecca]; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance the well-known Mahamad (Mohammad), who has been given by me the epithet of Brahma is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja! You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of a Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, “O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of ‘Ashwar Parmatma (God, Supreme Spirit), I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat-eaters. My follower will be a man circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution, announcing call for prayer and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. Because of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmans (Muslims). I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nation.”

      The main problem is that Monotheist religions i-e Muslims,Christians and Jews have given scriptures as Divine laws. While Hinduism (no offense) is subject to divide humanity in casts system based on brahman laws. Now if even for the sake of argument we agree with you that these are the divine laws, then we will have to check them on same rules and regulations which are used for Quran, Bible and Torah for authentication methods. While Hinduism is not based on these principles therefore there are many forgeries too in these oldest texts.

      According to the Mahabharata, original Bhagvad Gita had 745 shlokas (verses) but modern Gita has only 700 verses. It is mentioned in the Bhishma Parv of Mahabharata Adhyaai 43, shloka 4

      षट्शतानि सविंशानि श्लोकानां प्राह केशवः

      अर्जुनं सप्तपंचाशत सप्त षष्ठि च संजयः

      धृतराष्ट्र श्लोक मेकं गीतायां मान मुच्यते

      In Gita 620 shlokas were spoken by Sri Krishna, Arjuna spoke 57 shlokas, Sanjaya spoke 67, while Dhritrashtra spoke 1 shloka”
      The total comes to 745 shlokas. However in the modern Gita the shlokas of Krishna are 575, Arjuna shlokas are 84, Sanjaya shlokas are 40 and Dhritrashtra shloka is 1. The total is 700.

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      Hindu scholars themselves opine that Vedas have suffered heavy changes. Pandit Ram Gvind Trivedi writes in the preface to his translation of Rigveda
      “According to one Mantra of Rigveda (10:114:8), we come to know that it has 15,000 Mantras. However, when we count the total Mantras, we get 10,469 Mantras. It is possible that like a large portion of the books of Vedic literature and Vedas were destroyed by the anti-religious, similarly, Mantras too suffered destruction for many reasons.”

      Prof. Maurice Bloomfield writes in the Introduction to his Hymns of the Atharvaveda,

      “The nineteenth book is a late addendum, in general very corrupt; its omission (with the exception of hymns 26, 34, 35, 38, 39, 53, and 54) does not detract much from the general impression left by the body of the collection. The seventeenth book consists of a single hymn of inferior interest. Again, books XV and XVI, the former entirely Brahmanical prose, the latter almost entirely so, are of doubtful quality and chronology. Finally, books XIV and XVIII contain respectively the wedding and funeral stanzas of the Atharvan, and are largely coincident with corresponding Mantras of the tenth book of the Rig-veda: they are, granted their intrinsic interest, not specifically Atharvanic.”
      Dr. A.A. Macdonell echoes the same views about Atharvaveda in his book A History of Sanskrit Literature,

      “The last two books are manifestly late additions. Book XIX. consists of a mixture of supplementary pieces, part of the text of which is rather corrupt. Book XX., with a slight exception, contains only complete hymns addressed to Indra, which are borrowed directly and without any variation from the Rigveda. The fact that its readings are identical with those of the Rigveda would alone suffice to show that it is of later date than the original books, the readings of which show considerable divergences from those of the older Veda. There is, however, more convincing proof of the lateness of this book. Its matter relates to the Soma ritual, and is entirely foreign to the spirit of the Atharva-veda. It was undoubtedly added to establish the claim of the Atharva to the position of a fourth Veda, by bringing it into connection with the recognised sacrificial ceremonial of the three old Vedas. This book, again, as well . as the nineteenth, is not noticed in the Praticakhya of the Atharva-veda. Both of them must, therefore, have been added after that work was composed. Excepting two prose pieces (48 and 49) the only original part of Book XX. is the so-called kuntapa hymns (127-136). ” [A History of Sanskrit Literature, A. A. Macdonell, Printed in 1900, Page 188]
      Dr. Macdonell even exposes the Rigveda in the following words,

      “The importance of the latter as a criterion of the authenticity of verses in the Rigveda is indicated by the following fact. There are six verses in the Rigveda not analysed in the Pada text, but only given there over again in the Samhita form. This shows that Sakalya did not acknowledge them as truly Rigvedic, a view justified by internal evidence. This group of six, which is doubtless exhaustive, stands midway between old additions which (Sakalya recognised as canonical, and the new appendages called Khilas, which never gained admission into the Pada text in any form.”

      The above given reference from Mahabharata gives us an idea of the nature of these alterations. While the Krishna Shlokas reduced from 620 to 575, Arjuna shlokas increased from 57 to 84. This proves that there have been verses inserted as well as deleted from the Gita which we have today. Thus, we cannot be sure which of the verses of Gita are genuine and which are counterfeit.

      How can such a text ever be taken as a book of guidance?

      Thankyou for your precious time and precious comment

  2. Dear Friend,

    You may have heard the word Namaste or Namaskar, the one which people in India use for greeting each other – the meaning of the word is very profound – ‘The highest in Me, bows to the highest in you’. The word ‘namaha’ can also be literally interpreted as “na ma” = not mine, spiritually negating one’s ego in the presence of another person.So here I offer you my greetings by the way of a Namaskar,

    I was not trying to convince you to treat anything as guidance material. I know it is a cliched thing to say but when you read the stuff that I was referring to with an open frame of mind, you would realize that Hinduism is much more than a religion, its actually a way of life. It encourages people to look at the big picture, and not to get bogged down by small challenges that we face in our day to day life. Pick up whatever you find good in the scriptures and see if it is useful in your life. Anyone can do that, it will not affect the religion that you are following or your very own personal philosophies.

    These Hindu scriptures are considered some of the oldest texts in the world, so for thousands of centuries people across the world have interpreted it the way they understood them. The same goes for the scholars and books that you are mentioning. I am sorry but practically it is impossible to read all the interpretations made by Indian/ western scholars in their books, there are so many of them, some of these scriptures are more than 5000 years old and so many books have been written about them by so many writers over the last 2000 years. These scholars are a recent phenomenon when compared to the age of these Hindu scripture, so as a student you must check a number of sources before you arrive at your own conclusion. If we only read and starts believe in what is convenient to us, we will never be able to learn the truth. And what is truth – the God. Satyam – Shivam – Sundaram – Truth is God’ Truth is beautiful.

    My knowledge is limited to what I learned from my parents/ elders in the family and the few books that I have been able to read so far. I am not at all an expert on Hindu scriptures. But what I shared with you is what I learned during my interaction with a large number people across India and some other parts of the world, with whom I have interacted in the forty years of my life on this planet earth so far.

    To answer the question that you have asked at the end of your comment, I just want to share with you my favorite shloka from Bhagavat Gita
    “asanshyam mahabahu mano dunigraham chalam,
    abhyaasen tu kauntey vairagyen cha greehyate”
    “Life is difficult for those whose are not in control of their life,
    however, those who ceaselessly strive and keep their mind & action under self-control,
    Peaceful and content life can be easily attained, through practice & conviction”

    I am pretty sure you will agree the above thought. Even Quran would have similar learning to offer. There is a lot you can learn from these scriptures. And you can leave aside what you do not agree with – thats the flexibility these scriptures offer you. These are just few words, the whole book is filled up with such pearls of wisdom – the key message of Bhagwad Gita is ‘Self-less action’. Its the best management book you can read and actually use it in your day-to-day life. It does not matter what some say as the number of shlokas vis-a-vis what some other persons says. We all have the right to live with our own notions its not going change the truth. Hindu religion is also called Sanatan Dharma – which means a religion which has neither beginning not an end. It started with the start of civilization in this area we have known as India and it will continue till human survive on this planet we call Earth.

    There is also a concept of ‘This as well as That’ – its a very interesting and relevant concept for the people of this whole geographical area – known as India earlier and now there are a number of countries – but the people are the same. We all accept and practice things in our day-to-day life which may look contradictory to an outside/ from western perspective. Look around you, discuss it with the elders in your family and you will find abundant examples of this. The things which may look contradictory are actually not so, they are one and the same, and they can co-exist. I may accept something as truth, and you, as my friend and brother can accept a complete opposite of that as truth and we both could be right in our own place and live peacefully together. My brother eats non-vegetarian food, I do not eat it, but he is a much better Hindu than I am and people all around us acknowledge that. We both have our own personal beliefs and we are both right.

    There are four thoughts that I will leave with you to mull over, you will surely find thoughts in Islam/ within Quran that may offer similar thoughts. These 4 thoughts talk about the one-ness of all of us with the God. Just mull over it, discuss within yourself and reach your own conclusions. Do not quote what other say about it, try and understand what you yourself feel.

    1. Prajnanam Brahma (Prajnanam = Superior Intellect; Brahma = God)
    2.Ayam Atma Brahma (Ayam=This; Atman=self/soul; Brahma=Godl)
    3. Tat Tvam Asi (Tat = That; Tvam=You; Asi=Are)
    4. Aham Brahmasmi (Aham=I am; Brahma=God)

    You may be just a student today, but as you will keep reading and gaining more and more knowledge one day you too will become a great scholar, and then even your own personal point of view would be an important source of knowledge. What you will write will be an important thing for others to read and learn. The same way Hindu scriptures have evolved over the hundreds and thousands of years. The four Vedas are the most ancient scriptures of Hinduism belong to the shruti category – they were passed on verbally from one generation to other. Upnishadas came after that, they also are from shruti category. Later on when intellectuals and writers started writing down their learning from Vedas and Upanishadas, the other scriptures also started to be written. Puranas belong to the category of written literature. Puranas are not just one book there are many many books which were written over hundreds of centuries. They capture the old learning as well as the realities of the contemporary time when they were written. Some of the puranas were written barely 300-400 years back.

    Like I said earlier, there is no single book which can claim to be the Number One book of Hinduism, there are millions of deities, most of the linked to some basic element of nature, and ultimately everything is connected with each other. I hope you have seen the Hollywood movie Matrix, there were some concepts of the Hinduism which were explore in that movie.

    All religion at some level or other teach the same things, we are all children of nature, we can not survive without the Sun, Earth, Water, Air, Sky. The Ultimate Power of the universe, we may call him/her by any name, it actually does not matter. What really matters, and what all the scriptures and scholars have been trying to teach us is that, we all are one and the same thing, we are all connected with each other like a matrix. wherever we may live on this earth, whatever we may eat/drink, whichever way of life we choose.

    There are two ways of proving that one is superior, first path could be to try and be the best in one’s field of activities, and second path could be by slamming all the others down. In the first instances the everyone will benefit and grow, some more and some marginally less, but there will be very less ill-will. In the second path there will be no winner, only chaos, destruction, anger, pain and guilt. Choose your path wisely.

    I appreciate the efforts you have made and my best wishes to you all to keep learning more and more and be highly successful in your personal and professional life.

    Keep reading, keep learning…

    1. Thankyou again for giving such information i am very pleased with that.

      You wrote:

      Life is difficult for those whose are not in control of their life,
      however, those who ceaselessly strive and keep their mind & action under self-control,
      Peaceful and content life can be easily attained, through practice & conviction”

      Although words are most beautiful but we should’nt use it without context. Anyways i respect your time and effort to clarify many things not only for me but for the users who are also reading this interesting textual conversation between both of us.

      As for the rest of your writing, mostly i am agree with you regardless of this thing in which you said:

      “There are four thoughts that I will leave with you to mull over, you will surely find thoughts in Islam/ within Quran that may offer similar thoughts. These 4 thoughts talk about the one-ness of all of us with the God. Just mull over it, discuss within yourself and reach your own conclusions. Do not quote what other say about it, try and understand what you yourself feel.

      1. Prajnanam Brahma (Prajnanam = Superior Intellect; Brahma = God)
      2.Ayam Atma Brahma (Ayam=This; Atman=self/soul; Brahma=Godl)
      3. Tat Tvam Asi (Tat = That; Tvam=You; Asi=Are)
      4. Aham Brahmasmi (Aham=I am; Brahma=God)”

      (end quote)

      Now let me have a chance to clarify this thing in wholesum. In Islam. Superiority is ONLY AND ONLY ALLAH, or whatever you want to give the name. BUT… in monotheist stream we have 1 thing which is called restraining deity from any sort of shape,size etc. Because we think that Creator has so much power that human eyes cannot see them and our materialistic eyes do not know and not able to know that which kind, shape, form , “the God” consists of.

      Christians however, specially catholics dettached themselves by monotheist rules when they proclaim “Trinity”. Although Protestants and some other groups does not accept trinity. But they made “Jesus” a divine being. Which surely he was not. He was just a normal Prophet like Moses and Muhammad and our monotheist grandfather. Abraham.

      2) You said that Ayam Atma Brahma (This self/soul = God)<==== This thing is not acceptable neither this is in Holy Quran nor Judaic scriptures. Actually We Muslims consider Jews more nearer to us in Faith than Christian Trinity or Indian "Trimurthi" concepts.

      now let me complete it in short about rest of all things. Sir i hope my previous clarification is enough to clear misconception about the concept of "SINGLE" Deity rather than 4 cr, 45 lakh bhagwans. or demi gods. Devta, Devis. gods and goddesses. I am not here trying to hurt you. i hope you will not read this in that way rather i am here to learn from you. Because its true that if i want to learn and know Hinduism, i must have to consult with Hindus, so i am just arguing you in that sense. So pardon me, if my text makes you think in wrong way in advance.

      whatever you said in your last two paragraphs, i would only say that, when there is in the world one text from 1400 years on this earth which is most authentic and proven authentic by the passage of time and there is ONLY ONE VERSION of the DIVINE TEXT in its ORIGINAL FORM i-e HOLY QURAN. then why would i need to accept that which i already know that is being forged and manipulated by thousands of years …. as you also mentioned that by saying that its the translations or explanations of others so it could have some problems.

      Now when we think as a neutral person, e.g if i consider myself as an atheist then i would certainly do object that its better for me to take from authentic text rather than the thousands of versions of other text.

      Same is with Bible and Torah. <— We Muslims accept that these both books were Divine books, but as the passage of time, its been forged just like you talk about your scriptures.

      But Quran, there is none of a single + or – or (dot) is been changed. Its just in that form in which it was revealed on our beloved Prophet.

      Anyways. Sir i am really glad for your worth of time which you spent here for enlighten us with expressive sharing of views.and if you have some Hindu Scriptures which you think are very good for me to read and if it is available online in pdf or any form. and which you think i didnt have read before. Kindly surely share it with me. It will be an honor to read something upon which a vast majority is following.

      Thankyou sir.
      Namaste
      Peace be with you.Salam/Shalom

  3. Dear Friend,

    You really do not need to feel restrained and conscious about the choice of your words, I will never be hurt by your words. Intellectual discussions are stimulant for our mind and soul and we always learn something new everyday. You putting forth your point of view, as you feel about the topic, based on your understanding of the subject matter, the fault would be entirely mine if I take offence to that. The fact is that we are having this discussion on your blog, it is totally your prerogative to engage or disengage in the discussion, the content on this blog should reflect your point of view only and I am just adding my two bit to it. You have all the rights to raise question and even ask me to shut up and go away if I am making some points which you are not comfortable with.

    Yes you are right, everything has to be in some context or other – the quote that I picked out from Bhagavad Gita was just to demonstrate the wisdom that is there in these ancient scriptures, things that we can learn and implement in our life. We all want to live our life peaceful and contentment is the state of mind when one has all that they need and there is no rush/anxiety in the heart and mind. Its a universal truth, applicable in all conditions. What this quote gives is the hope that these goals are achievable, no matter how difficult they seem at times, we can reach there, provided we have the Conviction (belief in the heart) to do so and we Practice (not just preach to others). Conviction and Practice are the key word here, they are actually lose translation in English of the original Sanskrit words ‘Abhyaas’ and ‘Vairagya’. Vairagya also means detachment, step one step away. I said its my favorite one from Gita and you are right there is a context to it. About 7 years back (Dec’06) I lost my mother, (I had already lost my father when I was very young and it was mother who raised us by herself, gave us spiritual, moral and helped us get formal education, even though she was born in distant mountain village and didn’t had any formal education, she was the reason our family could survive in the capital city of India) so for a period of time I felt as it life has lost all its meaning for me. It was Gita, and particularly this single Shloka which helped me get my perspective back. Now I know what I need to do in my life, one can live a perfectly happy life without getting too much attached to one single thing or person in this materialistic world. I love my wife and kids, but I know that one day I will be gone and they will be without me, so what I need to focus on is my actions as long as I am alive, are in the direction which will make it easier for them to live even when I am not around. This example was from a personal and spiritual perspective, but you can use the learning in any aspect of your life, be it sports (to become a top cricketer, one needs to practice and practice hard, and have the conviction in the heart that there will be a time when the hardwork and practice will give results) or profession/ business (consistent practice will make things better, and having the conviction will help overcome challenges, which are always part of the life).

    The place where I was born and spent my childhood in Delhi, was very close to a Mosque, so I used to hear the Azaan every day, I even new the wordings verbally and could even recite it completely, without knowing the exact meaning of the words. All through my life I have been fortunate to have friends from every possible religion in the world as well as those who do not believe in any religion at all. I visit Hindu temple as well as Mosque, Church, Gurudwaras and Buddhist temple. I make it a point to take our kids to Jama Masjid in Old Delhi during the Ramzaan times in the evening so that they can soak the atmosphere there. So I have nothing but respect towards all the religions of the world.

    I think I should say sorry for not making myself very clear on the 4 thoughts that I mentioned in my previous comment. I know the singularity of God power as it is envisioned in Islam and some other religions of the world. That, in essence is the major point of differentiation. What I wanted to explain to you is that all religion teach that the god or you can say the path to reach god is within each one of us. Look within yourself, mind your own actions, do your own duties to the best of your abilities. do not try to change others, a lifetime is too less to even understand our own self, we keep surprising ourselves all the time. The holy prophet got the introduction to God when he was alone, meditating all by himself, then he came back and gave the message of God to all who were willing to listen to him. Thats the path these phrases are referring to. Please forgive me if I am saying something wrong – you can delete the comment if it is against the spirit of Islam. What these phrases are offering you is the opportunity to reach the God directly, without any one coming in between you and your God. And the best way to do so is to analyse ourselves – We are made by god, using whatever resources he had in is command, I am sure we all are connected to the God and there would be some minute micro particle within us which would connect us to our creator. That is what is referred to as Atma (soul) in those phrases and the most superior Atma is Paramatma the God power.

    The deities in Hinduism that people generally talk about (330 million) is actually the names – like the thousands of names of holy prophet in Quran which sometime some people recite to remember God. What most people do not talk about the the connection that each one of these names have with another, and when you reach the root of it all, it just one Supreme power. The ultimate source of life.

    I doubt if there is anyone who truly understand Hinduism will ever try to convince other person to leave his/her religion and become a Hindu – so the question of not believing the Quran or any other Holy book and blindly following certain scripture does not arise at all. The beauty is that Hinduism does not force that even to its own followers leave aside others. And the same goes for the atheist. Since it is the Sanatan Dharma, (which has neither beginning not any end) it does not need people to come inside or go outside. It just indicate a rough path, like the paths in the forests where everyone is free to go and if you do not like it, chose a different one, or make a new one if you like it. That flexibility has meant that so many other religion were able to born out of this thought process. Quran, Bible and other such books came much later. (Quran = 1400 years; vedas more than 5000 years) so definitely they are like the new versions of the software patch that you get now-a-days for your phone/computer/tablets. The forward we move, the more stricter/ narrower paths will emerge, who knows what will happen 1400 years from now. Would the human race be alive then or not, what kind of path they will follow. What would be the religion of the machines that we are creating and slowly getting so much dependent upon.

    In Hinduism (the spiritual philosophy I am talking about), everyone is free to come and go as they wish, without any bonding or restriction. Make it strict and measure everyone of those strict rules, 90%+ of current Hindu population would not quality. Keep it open and flexible, the whole population of the world (including all the religion and atheists) will come into it. Thats why there is a concept of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam in Hinduism, which means the whole world is my family. All the malaise of Hinduism that people talk about were social practices prevalent at some point of time, in specific geographies, replaced with some other practices as the times passed. The timeline of Hinduism is amazingly extensive and very interesting, just to give you a brief overview

    I am sure you must have given various exams in your student life so far and some would be waiting for you even now. How do you prepare for these exams, by reading books of course. So you have the choice of reading one single book and read it thoroughly well and then go ahead and crack the exam. There is an alternate path also, of consulting more books, written by many scholars or experts who have themselves studied many more books based their point of view on the knowledge that they have gathered, seeking more information, which at time may be different from one – another or even in some cases contradictory in nature. You read all the books that you have time, patience and resources to read, and then you gain a better understanding of the subject, and then you write your own answers in the exam. This way you are not blindly following what is being taught to you by a single source, but you are learning (which is an experience in itself) and then framing your own views, making your own path so to say.

    That’s what these many different books, their various versions by different scholars is all about. The path to god is within me, coded in my genetics, yes I am ignorant and need to learn how to read and understand it, these books help me in doing so. But still the final decision is mine, how I want to seek my god, which path I want to follow. This whole process is actually the journey of life – growing up, going to school, playing, entertaining, having fun, meeting different people, making friends, working, getting married, having kids, raising a family, and all such things are just the side events of our life, like the scenery that moves around you when you are sitting/driving a car or a bike. Our body is just that car or bike, the soul is the driving force, we know where we want to go, the car/bike just follows our instructions to take us there. Our soul should know its path, the body should just follow and take it there. This is the essence of Hinduism.

    Here is something which I had made a note of some time back, will elaborate further on it later on. This is the timeline as per the Hinduism. The Life in the universe is created and destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years, which is one full day for Brahma – the Creator. The lifetime of a Brahma himself may be 311 trillion and 40 billion years. The cycles are said to repeat like the seasons- like Summer, Spring, Winter and Autumn, each Yuga involves stages or gradual changes which the earth and the consciousness of mankind goes through as a whole. A complete Yuga cycle from a high Golden Age of enlightenment to a Dark Age and back again is said to be caused by the solar system’s motion around another star. These 4 yugas follow a timeline ratio of (4:3:2:1). One year of Gods is equivalent to 360 human years.
    a) Satya-yuga or the golden age of Truth when all humans & Gods were almost equals. The humans were so pious and truthful that whenever they wanted they could summon the Gods. There was no need to carry out special worships to please the gods. The duration of Satya-yuga is 4,800 (God years) x 360 = 1,728,000 human years. Average human lifespan was 100,000 years.
    b) Then came the second period Treta which literally means 3rd. In Treta period humans started making mistakes and losing ground to Demons. Gods had to come in human form (Lord Rama) – set the highest standard of behavior for humans being, defended the Humans by destroying Demons (Ravana). Ramayana –story of Rama depicts this age of Hinduism and India as a country. The duration of Treta-yuga is 3,600 (God years) x 360 = 1,296,000 human years. Average human lifespan was 10,000 years.
    c) In Dwapar period, human lost more grounds to evil and now humans were fighting not against the demons but against fellow humans beings. It was getting hard to distinguish the Evil from the Good, the Gods came in the form of humans, even Gods now started making mistakes and not keeping up the highest standards of morality and ethics. A major war at the end of Dwapar age paved the way for the fourth and last stage of Kalyug, after which the world as we know it today, is supposed to end and a new one would be created by Brahma. This war and this period of Hinduism/ India is depicted in the Mahabharata. Bhagavad Gita is a part of Mahabharata –through a dialogue between Lord Krishna and warrior Arjuna at battlefront, in a very concise manner, Lord Krishna tries to explain the ultimate secret of life, to Arjuna who is confused about the purpose of life. The duration of the Dvapara-yuga is 2,400 (God years) x 360 = 864,000 human years. Average human lifespan was 1000 years.
    d) And the last, the Kali-yuga, is 1,200 (God Years) x 360 = 432,000 years in total. Average human lifespan will be 100 years. Towards the end of the Yuga this will come down to 20 years. We currently living in this last leg of the journey. After the arrival of Kali-yuga (the age of Ignorance/ Untruth/ Falsehood) all the people were not engaged in a pious lifestyle, so the Vedas were specifically created for this age to work like instruction manual for the Brahmins to carry out the worship of Gods in the most pious manner which will please the Gods. Brahmins were now doing the worship not only for themselves but also for other sections of society e.g. the King or Ruling warrior class, the Business communities, and the Working Class.

    The discussion with you and some question from a friend in Japan have inspired me to write what I feel about Hinduism on my blog (it is not a religious blog actually) so that there are answers to the basic and simple questions readily available. I will be travelling for the next two weeks and will not be able to respond to any comment/question during this period. Will starting writing these thoughts on the blog once I am back.

    Warm regards and best wishes,

    Bhuwan

  4. Welcome Sir!

    you said that :

    “The deities in Hinduism that people generally talk about (330 million) is actually the names – like the thousands of names of holy prophet in Quran which sometime some people recite to remember God. What most people do not talk about the the connection that each one of these names have with another, and when you reach the root of it all, it just one Supreme power. The ultimate source of life.”

    Hearding something is different and knowing the real meaning is different. Our blessed prophet’s name is only and only mentioned 4 times in Quran. There are 99 names but that all is not in Quran its collective names of the Prophet. BUT ALLAH<— as a Deity we have 105+ names for only HIM and most of them are in Quran. So there is no-human who is mentioned as deity instead of ONe divine Existance.

    Then you said:
    "I doubt if there is anyone trully understand Hinduism will ever try to convince other person to leave his/her religion and become a Hindu"…. Now this is a very important statement. Bcz when we invite someone to Islam, we shows them our fundamental beliefs which is in accordance with all needs of the soul i-e Belief in ONE TRUE DEITY without any shape form size mass etc. And we do not resemble human to god i-e (chirstians are unfortunately doing at large). But jews and muslims arnt. Then we show them very basic concept of Humanity. Islam says all humans are equal without any race cast religion and language, only those are considered in higher status who have more pious. Now if we take your this sentance and say that Let us have be in Hinduism, then the first question will arrive in my mind that, well ok but what about my cast? Because sanatan dharma is based on Cast system, four major casts. then thousands of sub-lings to that caste. If i embrass Hinduism, first of all your ARYA samajh wo'nt accept that,neither there are any or enough many proves that people had did that…… second…. which cast would be mine? i would'nt be a "BRAHMAN" neither "Khashtri" i dont know but may be (may be) vesh or bhel. now why would a person on this earth would like to degrade themselves to upper and lower cases of humanity? When Allah has made all humans common with 2 eyes, 1 spirit, 1 nose, 1 color of red blood?

    So that line does not fits when we think about the basic teachings of Hinduism. I would like you to read more topics in the section of questions-answers (non-muslims) here and you may find many answers in rebuttal of your this saying.

    3rd: Then you said about Quran (1400),,,, Now Its not history of your sanatan dharma but it is called History of the World. another point is, you are also not right in that sense, that Quran does not take anything from any type of pagan sources of the past, even Quran re-arranged the wrong concepts of Judaism and Christianity and make them to see in right direction. I have a very simple yet solid quetion for you.

    IF A "CREATION" is able to SEE its "CREATOR". then there is no need of a Creator…….. in other words, creations has a limit, Creator hasnt. We as Humans do not have that instruments to watch the real DIVINE ONE AND ALONE GOD. (whatever you may name them). Neither we are allowed to make images of god or gods, etc. and yes another point came in my mind after your another line, and that is, in polytheist religions like hinduism, budhism etc there are lots of gods and goddesses, now a simple question is that, does "Creator" of the "Universes" has not much power to circulate the needs of the worlds, and so that he need others to help him out? If this is the concept of God in your mind, then sorry even athiests reject that, then how is it possible for a person of faith to accept such absurd belief. Creator in monotheist religions are considered ALL-POWERFUL, ALL_KNOWING, does not need HELPS FROM OUTSIDE neither from INSIDE. IF a "god" can not help himself then there is no need of such a god. and yes QURAN is not software of the past which is patched with new version. Actually hinduism is based on materalistic stories with myths and mixture of old mythadology considered literally and implied acted upon.

    then you said:

    "In Hinduism(the spiritual philosophy i am talking about). everyone is free to come and go as they wish without any bonding or restriction.

    Now here let me say something, When a human make any invention e.g any machine they always produce "MANUAL" for that machine so everyone can use it properly without having any injuries. Isnt that? So what you think that "Creator" is such a dumb that he had made us and then leave us without any instructions? or leave us with that, we can make our own philosophies based on our own wishes which can be wrong and right instead of following the DIVINE LAW "THE MANUAL" THE QURAN. which is direct source of natural information?. Accepted by 6 millions without difference of cast, race, ethnic differences.

    Then you said"
    Make it strict and measure everyone of those strict rules, 90% of current Hindu population would not quality. Keep it open and flexible, the whole population of the world (including all the religion and atheists) will come into it.

    Now stop here at a moment. You are totally wrong because historically your this concept of flexibility declares wrong, if it was so much good then there would be probably now a days more Hindus in this world than Muslims, Christians etc. So sorry sir you view is totally baseless, and another point on this is, that, giving free hand to add or abstract in divine laws can make anyone himself a "god". which is another illusion of pagan religions. Normally we see that in human history that whenever everyone get themselves authority they usually make others to follow that, what they think right.

    Then sir you wrote that

    "This whole process is actually the journey of life – growing up, going to school, playing, entertaining, having fun, meeting different people, making friends, working, getting married, having kids, raising a family, and all such things are just the side events of our life, like the scenery that moves around you when you are sitting/driving a car or a bike. Our body is just that car or bike, the soul is the driving force, we know where we want to go, the car/bike just follows our instructions to take us there. Our soul should know its path, the body should just follow and take it there. This is the essence of Hinduism."

    We do not think that this world is a place for us to have a fun in it, although whatever fun or non-fun come to us in this world is merely an exam i agree with it. So do we have to follow the Divine source i-e Authentic Source. now again when you know that this word is for instance not authentic and many people manipulated it, then isnt its better to follow that authentic text which is not compromised in thousand of years? or let me say more precisely in your own words, isnt it better to follow lastest software instead of using software made for windows 3.1?
    The soul should know its path <———- my question is HOW? by accepting that which is taught to you by your birth OR, accepting that which is based on universal truth.

    Then sir you talk about 4.1 to 8.2 billion years, these all are myths these has nothing to do with Human life, let me tell you in short what we think about the existance. We think "GOD" with CAPITAL G (ONE ALONE) is history less, HE has no beginning, neither He has any end or limit, We do not consider it "God" who has limits, bodies, shapes, sizes and forms. Neither we think that all those things or entities can be called "God" who has a limit of time and period. i-e as you are telling me about 8.2 billion years and etc. Bcz TIME AND BEGINNING is the attribute of "non-god". Time and Space in themselves are creation, we cannot say that creations are having Creator circled in them. NO (even if you think this concept its more much much more clearer from Atheist views, and in that sense you can say that we are even more atheists in views regarding Divinity when the time came to show attributes".

    i mean . ONE YEAR OF "Gods" is equivalent to 360 human years. i think that is the reason that Electricity ( do you know its speed?) then even electricity is considered as a god?? Hmmm a "god" which can be controlled by his creations? the most funny thing to think.

    Satya Yugya: Yes i can agree with this phrase that there was one time when people were more pious and they do not need special worshippings, Islam says, Before Humans the "DJINS" were living on this earth from thousands of years and they created mess and all those things, when Adam was created by Allah,One among those "Jins" i-e "SATAN" (which christianity believes to be a falling angel while which is not correct). and to whom you are saying Demons. Now "Jins" are ordinary creation of Almighty just like we Humans, but they are made up of smokeless fire while we Human's are made up of clays.

    Then you said So "God" came in form of human, sorry for my question sir, but wasnt that "god" so powerfull to teach them a lesson without making himself incarnated in form of human? his creation? i mean its un-natural thing to even think about. Tell me when a Mechanic needs to correct the machine what he shall have to do? Make himself a machine or use tools to correct the error?
    comon sir what are you talking about, is this reasonable thing to think even?

    And rest of your lines all about Treta and other yugyas, or chakras these all are myths, Sun is still shinning and Moon is still there going up and down in same process from everlasting times which human mind cannot digest, but this is clearly a sign which shows that there is "SOMEONE" "SOME DIVINE POWER" who is controlling them, but in Hinduism you make Suns and moons as Lords?, while these lords goes down and up in daily routine from thousands of years showing you that look we are not even having power to make ourselves STABLE. Dont proclaim us "gods". Christianity has taken concept of Trinity because of Hindu and other Pagan religions. That is why we only consider those christians monotheist who are not following the concept of Trinity. Which is totally the lumsum of your views.

    And in Last sir i will very humbly reject your views on the basis of natural views based on nature. and you are most most welcome, because i personally have gain something from you, you views makes me more interested in my own religion and faith, they makes me understand more clearly the concept of Islam regarding these matters, so without a shadow of doubt, you are the most best person from whom i get a lot of information about Hinduism in detail and i really admire that and ask you to, please do come visit here and bless us with your views so that we both can learn something from each other. And in last, i would only say, i have no, not even a single bit of hate for any of religions. as i mentioned we all are students here, so dont take my discussion and disagreements as in bad sense, i am also ordinary user of this blog and every non-abusive muslim or non-muslim is welcome here with open hearts. Because this blog is dedicated to Sufism too. and you better know about Sufism than me because you are an indian.

    Best regards and Most welcome whenever you got time to share with us.

    may peace be with you

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